No, really. I'm just myself. What must you avoid?

Certain topics, comments, and being affectionate to another man. Things which would be considered improper, whether you're straight or homosexual, it amounts to that. There are other things in life to occupy your attention. Sex talk, you reserve for a more suitable time and place.

Isn't it difficult, when you've been talking about homosexuality in private, to shut it off when you go out in public?

Momentarily, yes. Especially if you have problems and you're working things out. However, it's discipline. If you're not going to do it, you don't do it.

Do you have many gay friends? A handful, I keep in touch with. Are you seen with them, in public?

Yes, of course!

Do they embarrass you?

No, they're nice, well mannered. We wouldn't cultivate friends we were ashamed of.

Have you ever been embarrassed?

Yes, but I'm not that touchy. However, once in a great while I'll be introduced to a friend of a friend, and hope nobody's looking. It's very seldom.

What do you do about it?

Be casual. Don't encourage the person to think you want to start an enduring friendship.

What if he carries on too much in public, what do you do?

Jokingly suggest that he hold it down. Once, when we were both being serious, I said. 'Please don't, it embarrasses me.'

About your relationship with children. How do you feel toward them?

I like children, I'm interested in them.

Would you molest a child?

No! Certainly not. That's an awful thing. It has nothing to do with homosexuality.

Is there a danger to the child, having a homosexual teacher?

A teacher's job is to teach and protect that child. A homosexual is oware of the dangers of sexual maladjustment, far more than the heterosexual teacher. He's been thru it himself in one form or another. I don't think there's a homosexual living who would wish that problem onto a child. If there's anything he could do to prevent it, he would.

Is there a danger the child might turn out to be homosexual, having a homosexual teacher?

Why? Is there a danger a child will turn out to be an old maid just because he has an old maid teacher? There's no connection. I'm there to help those children. They know nothing about my private life.

Don't children imitate teachers?

Yes, yes they do. They copy attitudes, and language. Not only themselves, but I find them advising their parents at home. Like one parent told me, 'Judy thinks you're wonderful. She came home and straightened her room, and then got after her father to straighten his garage, because Mr. Winters says we should be neat.

Doesn't a homosexual have inclinations, likes, and attitudes you wouldn't want a child to copy?

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Well-adjusted homosexuals are people, not someone you can identify by inclinations. Homosexuals can be just as nice just as stable or neurotic as anybody else. I think in the teaching profession, have nice people, usually. They're screened, and constantly under observation. An obviously nelly, sister type of homosexual couldn't last. But others do. They make good teachers. They should be allowed to teach. Supervisors

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